Anonymous said: In Japan they are not allowed to not censor privates in some way or form, their "pg 14 shit" is very 18+ for them. If you want actual dicks than look for DJ's with american artists
Exactly what I did this year, actually! I bought yaoi manga made by an America artist and it’s FULL of smut.
I understand their culture is different, but it is incredibly frustrating that Japan will make hentai of girls shitting, pissing, and sucking animal dicks while covered in semen and having pussy/asshole close ups of dripping fluids while their tits are exploding with milk, and all of that is totally okay, but god forbid we see an erect penis go into the asshole of a man just for the sake of porn.
Well, I feel less hungry now, but I concur
Terribly sorry about your appetite! Just trying to make a point… don’t mind me. :’D
Whats sad is that its all true. The Lengths I have gone too to find decent Monster hentai … all the dudes are always the ones being censored but the girls are always left alone. Its a very uncool double standard and one of the reasons I dont care for Japanese Smutty Art. they are talented yes, but its just no fun seeing dicks with blurry effect, or those little lines across them, where chicks are 100% free of any censorship.
And let me just go ahead and add this: hentai consists of EVERYTHING YOU COULD POSSIBLY THINK OF. You want disgusting? They have it. You want romantic? They have it. You want cute or sexy? Hentai’s got it. Got a weird kink you need to satisfy through the world of animation??? HENTAI CAN HELP YOU!
And then… there’s yaoi. Unless you want the same romanticized rape story over and over, OR if you like romance stories that end in “passionate love making” in which you never see what’s really going on because they’re either in the dark, under the covers, or the screen fades to black before it happens, then you’re not going to have any luck with yaoi.
I’m not even kidding, I would do anything for a monster yaoi where tentacles and demons and monsters do the same thing to guys as they do to girls in those hentai movies. But alas, I only have angsty drama to choose from in the gay anime porn department.
tl;dr: yaoi needs more fucking variety
*sings* Words of wisdom~ Concerning the BS double-standard in porn and erotica~ People need to get their shit together so that Hentai can actually be more diverse than ‘You want *insert something* to happen to an under-aged school-girl? Here you go! Wait, you want that to happen to a man? What the heck is wrong with you? Can’t you be a normal fujoshi and just be happy with your girly boys hugging?’
I really take exception to some of these assumptions. I know people who do work, whether doujinshi or larger press, in Japanese comics, BL included. There is incredible variety, but a lot of it never sees publication outside of Japan, and even in terms of doujinshi and scanning/translations, many groups are really picky and only do the same old, same old.
I like piss as an element of kink in stories. I love it. And I will say that up-front. And I have…quite a bit of comics and doujinshi that celebrate it, but most of the time, those don’t get so much as mentioned by anyone. And that’s just one example.
Yes, there’s more in number terms of comics that have female subjects of kink, simply because there’s an older and more widely-established market for them; women in sexytimes is a proven seller, whereas men in sexytimes is slightly less of a broad audience. However! It is an expanding audience, and one that has a substantial presence and diversity. It may be slightly less in number, but it’s still impressive and only getting larger.
But I digress. If you’re not seeing these things, it’s not because they’re not there, but a lot has to do with a number of things. One of those is companies fearing a backlash and trying to avoid kink because this culture sells everything with sex and simultaneously reviles it.
Another is that women and gay male audiences are still expected not to celebrate their sexualities or things they find appealing or attractive, and this is something that always annoys the bejeezus out of me, but it is true. A lot of companies especially still openly disregard those audiences or try to make us feel bad because we’re apparently supposed to be sexless entities and not ‘threaten’ them.
And there’s also those scanners and groups wanting to ‘play it safe’, since a lot of web hosts are pretty harsh against anything even remotely sexual. Even nudity, which in a major legal precedent from the 1960s was said to be not in and of itself sexual, is something plenty of hosts will come down on like a ton of bricks.
But touching on this, and another thing that personally pertains to me, is that there are people out there who create comics and such, who have a wide variety of kinks and fetishes, but who still play it safe because the audiences aren’t as supportive as they could be. And that’s sad. To boot, we’re also victims of rather hateful and harsh hosting policies because essentially, in the US, anything ‘adult’ is shoved into what amounts to a ghetto: a place where like is grouped with like and effectively swept into a corner, to be ignored by those who arbitrarily set this standard.
We certainly couldn’t have adult content be the norm, according to them; we are expected to tailor everything we do so that children we don’t have won’t ask uncomfortable questions, which rather makes me feel like we have to be more parents than the actual parents are willing to be.
In Japan, society is slowly changing, but having kind of walked away from it in the past decade, I can say it’s a really tumultuous and volatile shift. There’s a lot of bad feelings going on there right now, and because of it we’ve had a lot of toning-down to play it safe in the more mainstream BL stuff. Seriously, just compare a Be-Boy from the early 2000s to a Drap now — if anything, it’s gone backwards.
But in any case, the whole issue of Japan being incredibly kinky stems primarily from two things: the general oppressiveness, socially, of the culture as it is, and the Japanese attitude that other people’s private lives are not your affair. The pressure cultivated by that oppressiveness has to express itself somewhere, and as in the Victorian Age, that is through greatly varied sexuality; when society demands a certain appearance, certain actions, even specific speech to the level of Japanese society, that’s got to go somewhere. And the second part is something that is, yeah, pretty hypocritical because the other side of that is ‘solve a problem by looking the other way’. Nonetheless, a lot of Japanese people still maintain that it isn’t their business what others do for fun or what interests they have. For better or for worse, it allows for a lot of diversity in the intimate areas.
As for the other points I wanted to make, before this gets too lengthy (too late, I know):
- 14+ stuff in Japan is not generally equivalent to 18+ outside of it. There are people who mark things as R-18 when all it involves is kissing or someone being mildly sexy. Usually this is, these days, because of political controversy. There’s been tremendous backlash against some of the more ridiculous and insane politicians in the past few years, especially from the comics and animation industry.
- let’s just remember that these are all fantasy stories and in fact, some of us do have fantasies about things which doesn’t mean we support those things in reality; in short, it’s probably best if you don’t suggest violent bestial rape as a good choice if you just got done denigrating dubious-consent rough sex. Let’s not kink-shame, as long as we recognise that they are all fantasies, because really, kink-shaming and ‘ew that’s nasty’ or ‘you’re gross if you like that because I like this’ attitudes are what has kept the whole landscape here so lacking in diversity.
- chicks are not ‘100% free of all censorship’ and in fact if you show the full, exposed genitalia without it, you can be legally held liable and even fined or worse. There are some artists and comic creators who get away with showing an uncensored dick or vag or various orifices, but a lot of the time it’s only in an arguable case that it’s not clearly visible anyway. If you’re talking about nudity, then yes, female characters are censored more infrequently than male because male genitalia is more external in nature and more visible. Artists can get away with female nudity a lot easier. But that much is as true here as it is in Japan.
- there are all kinds of comics where you can see an erect penis go into the asshole of a man. Just saying. Even Japanese ones. While there is mandatory censorship on Japanese comics, it’s generally not that significant most of the time. And Japanese comics aren’t your only choice, just saying; give some of us independent erotic comic crafters some love!
In any case, sorry to go on so long, but this is something really close to my heart and a part of my life. I’m currently working on an upcoming comic project that I’m actually kind of conflicted as to whether I want to go as kinky as I’d like, or if that will just lead to another flash in the pan.
Because people have it beaten into their heads from the get-go that sex is bad, nudity is bad, by web hosts (who often tend to just copy each other’s terms of service without thinking), forums, everything. It’s why tumblr has been so heartily embraced by so many: you can put nudity and sex on it. What a novel concept. I think, and I hope, and I’m glad to see, that more and more people are just sick of being censored and don’t see the big deal with something that most people are going to do in their lives, and that someone had to do for them to even be here in the first place. And as for nudity, if you don’t see a naked body once a day, I wonder about your hygiene.
I hope that I can rely on people to be rational and reasonable, to take my work and embrace it, but…well…time will tell, I guess. It’s been a mixed bag up to now, and when you deal in sex or sexuality, sometimes you aren’t sure whether the audience will stick with you if you are diverse. When you earn a living from it and have to think about whether people will support it monetarily or not, it’s really difficult.
I do hope that this will lead to more diversity in terms of kink and sexuality, but it’s been slow going so far. In Japan, there are so many positive and negative things to consider because of the cultural and economic landscape. But their Comic Markets and similar are one thing that kinky diversity has over the rest of the world, and printers not freaking out about sex is another asset.
I guess we’ll have to see. That’s probably the best thing any of us can do.